Back in 1975, Patt Ligman and some of her friends at the University of Wisconsin-River Falls signed up for intramural hockey using a first initial and last name because they weren’t sure women would be allowed to play.
A women’s league can never include any men because if it did, it excludes the women it is set up to serve. Let the men pout & complain, but let the women play only with women.
Thank you Sarah for a really excellent post. So sad that so many women are losing their social and sport's communities that took so many years for them to develop. Unfortunate that so many women are intimidated into deferring to men's bullying and misogynistic whoms.
This was a hard read Sarah. The cultural pressure combined with I don’t know if it’s socialisation or what, but god how many of these women just accepted (or even celebrated) this situation? This shows you how successful this movement has been; that trans-identifying male players can choose to play in literally any league they like and still claim to be the most oppressed.
Bingo. As uplifting as I found the atmosphere in the locker room—these women who've been playing together for decades, just having fun—the resignation to giving that up. That women giving up their right to their own league was the only solution was a real gut punch
This is raging intolerance from the males and their transmaidens. They cannot tolerate athletic, independent women having their own league, so stamp it out. The transmaidens Kirsten and Kris should learn to be kind and tolerant to other women and go join a co-ed team.
I think Kris has just accepted the onslaught of media messages that say This is our world now, this is the ind thing to do. It's more a sense of resignation than anti-woman
Most women don't want to look too closely at transgenderism, and so they're only too happy to swallow the media and trans activist's claim that "it's complicated." Women are discouraged from actually looking into the policy because they'd find it isn't complicated, in fact, shockingly straightforward. Their sport has been given away to straight up men.
there are coed leagues, but as some of the women talked about, everyone has consented to playing with the opposite sex, and the men usually hold back, they don't play full strength. There's not supposed to be checking in WHAM but collisions definitely happen anyway. Particularly at the A levels where the game is much faster, when there are males in the mix it definitely makes it more dangerous. And most importantly, women have not consented to playing with males in WHAM
I don't understand why men would want to play in coed with women if they have to "hold back?" Holding back athleticism- where's the authentic sport in that?
A women’s league can never include any men because if it did, it excludes the women it is set up to serve. Let the men pout & complain, but let the women play only with women.
Agree. And women who don't mind playing with men can play coed or open. There really is a place for everyone. Except women who only want to play women
Wow. Really impressed by the thorough and diligent reporting here.
Thank you Sarah for a really excellent post. So sad that so many women are losing their social and sport's communities that took so many years for them to develop. Unfortunate that so many women are intimidated into deferring to men's bullying and misogynistic whoms.
This was a hard read Sarah. The cultural pressure combined with I don’t know if it’s socialisation or what, but god how many of these women just accepted (or even celebrated) this situation? This shows you how successful this movement has been; that trans-identifying male players can choose to play in literally any league they like and still claim to be the most oppressed.
Bingo. As uplifting as I found the atmosphere in the locker room—these women who've been playing together for decades, just having fun—the resignation to giving that up. That women giving up their right to their own league was the only solution was a real gut punch
This is raging intolerance from the males and their transmaidens. They cannot tolerate athletic, independent women having their own league, so stamp it out. The transmaidens Kirsten and Kris should learn to be kind and tolerant to other women and go join a co-ed team.
I think Kris has just accepted the onslaught of media messages that say This is our world now, this is the ind thing to do. It's more a sense of resignation than anti-woman
That is very sad. I’ve always despised the herd following the “in thing.”
so much stockholm syndrome
Interesting how many didn't know that all any man has to do to play on their team is apply to, no surgery or hormones needed.
Most women don't want to look too closely at transgenderism, and so they're only too happy to swallow the media and trans activist's claim that "it's complicated." Women are discouraged from actually looking into the policy because they'd find it isn't complicated, in fact, shockingly straightforward. Their sport has been given away to straight up men.
I would think, especially in Hockey, mixing gender would be very scary and dangerous.
there are coed leagues, but as some of the women talked about, everyone has consented to playing with the opposite sex, and the men usually hold back, they don't play full strength. There's not supposed to be checking in WHAM but collisions definitely happen anyway. Particularly at the A levels where the game is much faster, when there are males in the mix it definitely makes it more dangerous. And most importantly, women have not consented to playing with males in WHAM
But of course, this isn’t the coed group it’s the women’s team and the whole team is “ women “
I don't understand why men would want to play in coed with women if they have to "hold back?" Holding back athleticism- where's the authentic sport in that?
What is wrong with some people? Do they not know the difference between men and women?
They know. Everyone knows who the women are. They've decided the men who claim to be women are the most important.
Infuriating.
Men who think they are women need serious medical help.