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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

Linda Blade, always wise and sensible. She should have Van Koeverden's job.

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Digital Canary πŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ—½'s avatar

Thank you for the reminder β€” a refresh of this is next up after (1) a resend of a CBC β€œget your acts together, bozos” email to the organization’s leadership & prior policy overseers, and (2) a similar reupping of National Defence observations & advice to the new Minister.

The difference now being AvK’s elite experience as an athlete. He doesn’t have to cowardly hide behind BS mantras that shut down actual policy formulation, he can (& must imho) step up, and clearly articulate what you’ve said: support trans identifying males by forcing male sports to become properly accepting of them, not transfer their challenges & probelms (from others and from themselves) onto women & girls.

One quibble:

β€œBeing registered as male or female at birth is not the permanent record of an objective fact that it once was”

A birth certificate was never & still is not (especially in developing countries) entirely a β€œrecord of an objective fact”.

Though biological sciences have progressed, the reality is that it’s still possible for someone like Imane Khelif to be β€œregistered … as female at birth”, without any ideological bias, malice, or incompetence on the part of the attending HCWs.

Ideally, genetic sex testing will become ubiquitous & quick at birth, as some cultural behaviours won’t change as fast: β€œit’s a girl” leads to immediate naming, announcements & celebration, purchases of pink/β€œgirly” coloured gifts for the parents, etc.

All of which make it harder for HCWs & parents alike to be open to any more accurate reality associated with such sex screening tests: β€œWell now all my/his family & future friends will know he’s got a micro penis” (or β€˜an abnormality’ of any kind), and the still common normative biases of the scientifically less literate.

Until people lessen to slow their rolls, this will continue to create resistance to such change β€” which has negative impacts to the child himself & to females affected by such fictions.

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George MJ Perry's avatar

I take your point about birth certificates, and will take refuge in the 99.X% of the populations in the West for which birth certificates accurately record sex. I've often said that DSDs are the one time that "assigned male / female at birth" is an accurate, rather than obfuscatory, statement. But the fluidity of birth certificates in the US, UK, and Canada have enabled many more males to enter females sportsβ€”trans, not DSDβ€”so addressing the birth record issue will go a long way to protecting the female category en route to sex tests either at birth or at some point in one's athletic journey.

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Digital Canary πŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ—½'s avatar

Agreed wholeheartedly., George.

That said, if we’re going to get a policy change, let’s make sure it’s an airtight, science-based one.

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alfie's avatar

THANK YOU

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Ken's avatar

Van Koeverden has made it clear numerous times that he has a thing for the trans cult so women in sport should not look to him for support.

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PhDBiologistMom's avatar

"Change the interpretation of Bill C16 to what it should have meant all along. We fulfill non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity or gender expression by telling all men and boys in Canadian sport to be kind and accept the feminine male in the same way female athletes have always accepted tomboys.”

Unfortunately, this isn’t what many of the β€œfeminine males” are looking for, just like they’re not happy with all-gender restrooms. They want to be in women’s spaces. Though come to think of it, those types are often the least β€œfeminine” of the β€œtrans” women…

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